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Holy Crap, Dance already!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:19 am    Post subject: Holy Crap, Dance already! Share topic on FB Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Holy Crap!
I can post again!

So, after many months of suffering my companies' load balancing over two ip addresses, which screwed with MNLindy sessions, and made it extremely maddening as I kept getting logged out after my long insightful posting was lost. No more.

Now I can make long insightful posting.

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#1) Dance

So, ultimately, we come out to dance for our own reasons. I have mine, you have yours. I've been dancing 5 years, you've been dancing 0-10+. I've got my friends and you have yours. I've got my stresses and you have yours. Can I say who you should dance with and who you should avoid? Can I say why you should dance with them, or why not? Can I say 'they' are selective or 'they' are shy?

Boy, I sure could, but it be asinine to do so.

Truth is, you dance with who you want to dance with. If you think someone is avoiding you or that some group is selective, maybe it's yourself who really doesn't want to dance with them. Just think about it for me as I leave you this line about who I personally dance with:

I dance with those who ask me and those who I ask. I apologize that I don't ask you to dance, I might not know you or you might be far from me. Ask me to dance for I bear no malice.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Holy Crap, Dance already! Share topic on FB Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

[Edit: Sorry!]

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Holy Crap, Dance already! Share topic on FB Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

fisch wrote:

Minneapolis dancers are imbalanced.

-J


Are you talking about the follow-lead ratio?! Laughing

Seriously, I'm intrigued. Please continue.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:32 pm    Post subject: Share topic on FB Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I too would like to hear what is behind your post....and I say behind it because you said you wish you had more time...so there must be more that you would like to say. I hope we get to hear it.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:35 pm    Post subject: Share topic on FB Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I think he's saying we're all schizophrenic... Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 4:57 pm    Post subject: Share topic on FB Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

fieldsish wrote:
I think he's saying we're all schizophrenic... Smile


If that's the case, should we start having group therapy for dancers Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:59 pm    Post subject: Share topic on FB Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Amy-Kins wrote:
fieldsish wrote:
I think he's saying we're all schizophrenic... Smile


If that's the case, should we start having group therapy for dancers Wink



wait... that's not what forums are for??
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:32 pm    Post subject: Share topic on FB Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Amy-Kins wrote:
fieldsish wrote:
I think he's saying we're all schizophrenic... Smile


If that's the case, should we start having group therapy for dancers Wink


Actually, if that's the case can't I just have group therapy all by myselfs?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:51 am    Post subject: Share topic on FB Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Cyrano de Maniac wrote:
Amy-Kins wrote:
fieldsish wrote:
I think he's saying we're all schizophrenic... Smile


If that's the case, should we start having group therapy for dancers Wink


Actually, if that's the case can't I just have group therapy all by myselfs?

Brent


If that's the case, then perhaps I should give you my business card? Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:35 pm    Post subject: Share topic on FB Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

[edit: whoops!]

-J


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:05 pm    Post subject: Share topic on FB Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

1st, I am not agreeing or disagreeing....but I am curious as to how this differs in an obvious way from other scenes you've visited or danced in.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:18 pm    Post subject: Share topic on FB Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

[edit: darn!]

-J


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 2:58 pm    Post subject: Share topic on FB Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

hahahahaha
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here we gooo....
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:22 pm    Post subject: Share topic on FB Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

fisch wrote:
partner dancers don’t know how to express their individuality, often they rely upon their immediate partners, surrounding social group, or ubiquitous peer culture.



If this is what it means to be imbalanced, then being imbalanced is what it is to be human.

Expectations and uncertainties in relation to those around us or in regard to the formation of one’s own identity are a normal part of figuring out the world and our place in it. Perhaps the people group “Minneapolis dancers” is one particular form of this phenomenon, exhibiting its own set of issues and perceptions within and between individuals of the group, but I’ve seen the exact same sort of thing present in a dozen other social sets I’ve been a part of. (Though groups of artists aren’t known as particularly sane either…)

Perhaps the test of a balanced life is not whether we’re insecure, but knowing that we’re insecure (and when that’s a good or a bad thing. I think it could be both – sometimes at the same time). Basically I would contend that what you’re describing has nothing to do with being one who dances in the city called Minneapolis – though bringing it into the greater context of humanity and self-awareness is a thought-provoking comparison.

I’m interested in the idea of solution that you hinted at by quoting Plato and Emerson - self-dependence, reflection, and refraining from imitation. And though I’d agree that one’s identity should not be derived from other’s perceptions of us (or our perceptions of other’s perceptions of us, or their perceptions of our perceptions of their perceptions of us, or…) it’s impossible to say that those influences are entirely bad or even could be excluded.

Self-dependence? Great! Unless we become so dense we can’t see any conclusion but the one we’ve decided upon. Or fail to accept that as social beings we need other people.

Reflection? Um… even I can’t find anything wrong with that. I think it would solve a lot of the world’s problems if we just thought about things. It would at least make the arguments more interesting.

Refraining from imitation? I’m all for thinking for yourself, but I have a hard time believing in the possibility of uniqueness - especially if we’re talking about dance. Maybe I won’t dance exactly like this person or that person, but we’re doing a sort of dance under a particular name that’s been around for eighty years. We choose what to imitate and what to contradict, but there’s nothing ever really new – just modifications and combinations of what came before.

Also, if I understand you correctly and self-sufficiency and moderation are the key, where does “expressing our experiences to people we trust” fit in?


I love discussions like this...


(P.S. Perhaps I should disclose that I have a personal bias against Plato because he said that artists should be kicked out of his ideal city because artists are liars. The jerk.)
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:46 pm    Post subject: Share topic on FB Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

fisch wrote:

I hope these words fall onto open ears and aren’t drowned out by the flood of pride.


Ironic conclusion, given that the argument, depending solely on oneself, seems to be a very prideful thing to do. Razz

If your definition of 'imbalanced' is something like 'not the same' then sure, we're all 'imbalanced' because we're all different.

When I think of our scene, though, I would call it imbalanced only in terms of lead/follow ratio. Wink In terms of other things, like the fact that we all have other interests and careers and activities outside of dancing, we have different skill levels, different styles, different reasons for wanting to dance, different levels of desire to travel or take classes, different friends both within and outside of the dance scene-- in terms of these things, I see no reason to cry 'imbalanced'.
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